Daniel Farber interviewed by Podomatic, Your Weekly Constitutional, Dec. 23, 2016
“The entire nature of the constitution was kind of up for grabs with one school of thought, primarily in the South, thinking that the constitution was more or less like a treaty between independent states. … Whereas the other school of thought, which was represented by Lincoln, thought that the U.S. was not just an association of sovereign states, that it was a real nation. And that citizens of the United States had a direct relationship to the federal government.”